http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKzF173GqTU
Wow!
This actually really annoyed the hell out of me.
Mass Effect on Fox News
It's things like this that make me worry about the current state of society.
"At the end of the day... it's up to parents to control what their kids are seeing."
Finally, someone who can see sense!
And then, of course, the typical response.
"And it makes being a parent a much harder job."
No, it makes you sound like a typical lazy parent who wants to make it everyone else's job to parent their kids. It doesn't HAVE to make being a parent so much harder. If every parent in the world took a few minutes out of their day to teach their children about the dangers of the internet, and why they shouldn't play certain video games until they're old enough, the world would be a better place, and we would have these RETARDED parents who blame the government an video games and the OFLC/ESRB/PEGI for their delinquent children.
What was even worse about that report was that it was making an extremely sexist assumption - male this, adolescent male that, boy, dads... it's sickening. Considering 43-47% of gamers nowadays are female, I find it absolutely disgusting that a panel of mostly female "experts" can blatantly ignore a large portion of the gaming population. Males may be in the majority, but not by much.
David, you're absolutely correct. Yet everyone's making a huge deal out of it. Why? Because people have their damn blinders on so they only see a small portion of what's actually happening. Most adolescents should be mature enough to know the difference between a side-shot of alien boob and a woman in real life. The game even makes you work hard for the 2-minute scene, as Jeff attemepted to point out before he was silenced.
"All the research shows that violence has a desensitising effect."
What research? I'd sure as hell like to see it, because it hasn't affected me aversely. I'm probably the most mild-mannered person you'll ever meet, and I really can't stand violence outside a digital form.
"They're seeing [women] as these objects of desire."
Men saw women as sexual objects long before video games came along. Get your fucking facts straight for once.
"Cooper, have you ever played Mass Effect?"
"No"
The sheer fucking ARROGANCE of this woman, to appear on a news report having never even attempeted to research any of the points she was making. Again it's the world wearing blinders so they only see what they want to.
"And the young boys are going to be choosing not to have sex?"
How the fuck do these people get on these shows? Is there even a screening process, or do they just find the blindest, most opinionated person who wrote a book and put them on?
For the love of all that is good in the world, shut these people up.
I hope FOX gets a shitload of hate mail and is forced to make a public retraction. Bioware should get some lawyers onto it. What was said on that report was bordering on defamation.
"At the end of the day... it's up to parents to control what their kids are seeing."
Finally, someone who can see sense!
And then, of course, the typical response.
"And it makes being a parent a much harder job."
No, it makes you sound like a typical lazy parent who wants to make it everyone else's job to parent their kids. It doesn't HAVE to make being a parent so much harder. If every parent in the world took a few minutes out of their day to teach their children about the dangers of the internet, and why they shouldn't play certain video games until they're old enough, the world would be a better place, and we would have these RETARDED parents who blame the government an video games and the OFLC/ESRB/PEGI for their delinquent children.
What was even worse about that report was that it was making an extremely sexist assumption - male this, adolescent male that, boy, dads... it's sickening. Considering 43-47% of gamers nowadays are female, I find it absolutely disgusting that a panel of mostly female "experts" can blatantly ignore a large portion of the gaming population. Males may be in the majority, but not by much.
David, you're absolutely correct. Yet everyone's making a huge deal out of it. Why? Because people have their damn blinders on so they only see a small portion of what's actually happening. Most adolescents should be mature enough to know the difference between a side-shot of alien boob and a woman in real life. The game even makes you work hard for the 2-minute scene, as Jeff attemepted to point out before he was silenced.
"All the research shows that violence has a desensitising effect."
What research? I'd sure as hell like to see it, because it hasn't affected me aversely. I'm probably the most mild-mannered person you'll ever meet, and I really can't stand violence outside a digital form.
"They're seeing [women] as these objects of desire."
Men saw women as sexual objects long before video games came along. Get your fucking facts straight for once.
"Cooper, have you ever played Mass Effect?"
"No"
The sheer fucking ARROGANCE of this woman, to appear on a news report having never even attempeted to research any of the points she was making. Again it's the world wearing blinders so they only see what they want to.
"And the young boys are going to be choosing not to have sex?"
How the fuck do these people get on these shows? Is there even a screening process, or do they just find the blindest, most opinionated person who wrote a book and put them on?
For the love of all that is good in the world, shut these people up.
I hope FOX gets a shitload of hate mail and is forced to make a public retraction. Bioware should get some lawyers onto it. What was said on that report was bordering on defamation.
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rudel_ic
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There are 3 sex scenes in the game. To access them, you have to play multiple hours.
- Lesbian alien sex
- Heterosexual sex with a female protagonist
- Heterosexual sex with a male protagonist
All 3 scenes are very tame, respectful and not explicit at all. And even if they were, so what, parents have to control the media consumption of their kids anyway if they care about this. And if the kids really want to access the hardcore stuff, there's plenty other ways than video games, obviously.
The few video games that actually show explicit sex scenes are japanese fetish material. To get them, you'd have to download them via p2p sites, figure out the japanese installation process, probably switch the locale and so on - and the games are really crap, so that's a waste of time. And they are censored out-of-the-box.
Parents have a few crucial decisions in their life to make, and whether or not to buy mature games for your 13-year-old is not one of them. Captain Obvious, out.
- Lesbian alien sex
- Heterosexual sex with a female protagonist
- Heterosexual sex with a male protagonist
All 3 scenes are very tame, respectful and not explicit at all. And even if they were, so what, parents have to control the media consumption of their kids anyway if they care about this. And if the kids really want to access the hardcore stuff, there's plenty other ways than video games, obviously.
The few video games that actually show explicit sex scenes are japanese fetish material. To get them, you'd have to download them via p2p sites, figure out the japanese installation process, probably switch the locale and so on - and the games are really crap, so that's a waste of time. And they are censored out-of-the-box.
Parents have a few crucial decisions in their life to make, and whether or not to buy mature games for your 13-year-old is not one of them. Captain Obvious, out.
It just sounds so ignorant, they even tell the ESRB raters to have their head examined for not giving it an AO rating. Completely ignored Geoff telling them the scene was not graphic at all, and didn't even take the 5 minutes to check out this game themselves. It was less than a pg-13 movie! Way to do your research before broadcasting on live television guys!
But I don't think will ever happen again 10-15 years from now when teenagers start becoming parents themselves, they'll be much more informed in comparing movies to video games.
But I don't think will ever happen again 10-15 years from now when teenagers start becoming parents themselves, they'll be much more informed in comparing movies to video games.
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Renegade_Turner
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This makes me really pissed off...I wish there was some way I could talk to those people, particularly the woman in the pink top because she was completely ignorant of what the other guy was saying in defence of the game. He was trying to use logic to argue his point, and she was just like a child going "No no no shut up shut up you're stupid I'm right you're wrong".
Trust mainstream network news to focus on one minute of a game that's about an immersive story and brilliant characters, and to turn that into some kind of evil that the game producers are trying to incur upon kids. Rofl kids too young to see what is shown in that sequence in the game (and you'd have to be REALLY young to not understand it) wouldn't have the intelligence to get that far in the game anyway.
But yeah let's focus on this because it's such a huge problem. I mean, video games are much more of a problem than more common problems such as...
- Your child excessively taking drugs.
- Your child drinking excessively.
- Your child being bullied.
- Your child being suicidal/depressed.
- Your child suffering from mental illness.
- Your child suffering from neglect of their needs/feelings while you horse about bitching and moaning to FOX News (about ESRB ratings for the love of god).
Nah...those are all trivial matters...let's focus on VIDEO GAMES...
Trust mainstream network news to focus on one minute of a game that's about an immersive story and brilliant characters, and to turn that into some kind of evil that the game producers are trying to incur upon kids. Rofl kids too young to see what is shown in that sequence in the game (and you'd have to be REALLY young to not understand it) wouldn't have the intelligence to get that far in the game anyway.
But yeah let's focus on this because it's such a huge problem. I mean, video games are much more of a problem than more common problems such as...
- Your child excessively taking drugs.
- Your child drinking excessively.
- Your child being bullied.
- Your child being suicidal/depressed.
- Your child suffering from mental illness.
- Your child suffering from neglect of their needs/feelings while you horse about bitching and moaning to FOX News (about ESRB ratings for the love of god).
Nah...those are all trivial matters...let's focus on VIDEO GAMES...
It's human nature. No-one can stand blaming themselves for a problem unless it's something trivial, like putting something in the wrong place. Obviously, blaming yourself for screwing up your kids is hard.
Parents look for something to blame. Games, TV, music, technology, all that crap seems to be the first thing that comes to mind.
I blame newspapers.
Parents look for something to blame. Games, TV, music, technology, all that crap seems to be the first thing that comes to mind.
I blame newspapers.
Well of course their will be such people but I think overall they will be more aware so you won't see something like Mass Effect (not Japanese rape games) being shown on the news as a pornographic, AO game because of its 1 minute pg-13 scene. I think people will generally call more of these child psychologist's research books as uniformed gibberish as time passes on. People just don't like video games right now.rudel_ic wrote:Dream on. There will always be such people.
Just like when movies first came out and someone said "idiot" the first and people went crazy. But now people are saying fuck every ten seconds and nobody cares. There will still be things that people think are a little too offensive like, The Kite Runner's child sodomy scene that a couple people where concerned about but no more of this, ahh! that guy is kissing an alien and you can select how they have sex with each other (which you can't) right after you hit the let's have sex button (which there isn't) this is a porno my child will be masturbating to it when I'm not around let's put this on the news to tell everyone about the se'xbox game I am so shocked and offended by this. Cut off that video game nerd Geoff that's telling us the game doesn't show nipples and full frontal nuidty he is lying let's not listen.
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Zantalos, that's not what I meant and I'm bored enough to rant, so here goes:
There is a political motivation behind this, and there will always be people with a similar motivation.
Basically, as I see it, people on FOX News are spewing out biased nonsense to tailor conservative minds, so that they actually keep their opinions, vote the right people, that leads to certain funding politics, which helps the overall conservative movement financially - a boat FOX is in.
This strategy has burned itself into the conservative american news guys's heads so much that their thought process in this case was similar to the following actionplan:
1. Me conservative
2. Look! Sex! Kindof. Unconservative! Kindof.
3. Research costs time and money, don't bother / Make up shit / Look at shiny pictures for a while
4. Report about it negatively, gather conservative thoughts, bash someone with an overwhelming majority of conservative honks
5. ???
6. PROFIT
See what I did there? No reflection involved. No actual context involved, just talking-out-of-ass.
You have to deal with such people all the time, and they'll never go away. In fact, they are the majority, whether conservative, liberal, whatever... The world is full of narrow-minded soccermoms in various costumes.
There was this stupid film, Idiocracy it was called iirc. Although the movie is a steaming pile of crap, there is a truth to the basic premise that the world is getting dumber and dumber, so as long as you're taking a controversial topic, take one side and bash the other one via proof-by-random-statistics, proof-by-number-of-shown-believers and proof-by-example over and over again (see GTA media coverage, War On Terror, Gerstmanngate, ....), people suck it in and love you because you apparently have the biggest cock.
It'll get worse, you'll see.
/rant about world
There is a political motivation behind this, and there will always be people with a similar motivation.
Basically, as I see it, people on FOX News are spewing out biased nonsense to tailor conservative minds, so that they actually keep their opinions, vote the right people, that leads to certain funding politics, which helps the overall conservative movement financially - a boat FOX is in.
This strategy has burned itself into the conservative american news guys's heads so much that their thought process in this case was similar to the following actionplan:
1. Me conservative
2. Look! Sex! Kindof. Unconservative! Kindof.
3. Research costs time and money, don't bother / Make up shit / Look at shiny pictures for a while
4. Report about it negatively, gather conservative thoughts, bash someone with an overwhelming majority of conservative honks
5. ???
6. PROFIT
See what I did there? No reflection involved. No actual context involved, just talking-out-of-ass.
You have to deal with such people all the time, and they'll never go away. In fact, they are the majority, whether conservative, liberal, whatever... The world is full of narrow-minded soccermoms in various costumes.
There was this stupid film, Idiocracy it was called iirc. Although the movie is a steaming pile of crap, there is a truth to the basic premise that the world is getting dumber and dumber, so as long as you're taking a controversial topic, take one side and bash the other one via proof-by-random-statistics, proof-by-number-of-shown-believers and proof-by-example over and over again (see GTA media coverage, War On Terror, Gerstmanngate, ....), people suck it in and love you because you apparently have the biggest cock.
It'll get worse, you'll see.
/rant about world
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I know, it sucks that people are so easily manipulated like sheep. And it sucks that these people are just going to get bigger and bigger, more people will continue to blindly listen to them and they'll continue to present only talking out the ass evidence, and we will make even less money while rich people make even more money.
But that's the shitty part. On a small scale that seems not even important to talk about in comparison, what people get used to will change. People just aren't used to video games right now, the conservatives did not even once play the game Mass Effect and neither did any of the soccer moms and whoever else they were talking to. So it didn't matter what they said, as long as they said it whilst talking out the ass, everyone will naturally believe it. But when I grow up, they won't be saying the same old, "check out this game it is rated T for teens but you can have sex with any person you want in a real life pornographic matter while it shows you all the tits and ass you want, here's this child psychologist blah blah oh my god blah". Because I, as the adult, and probably every other adult, would already know more about the game then they could tell me and know that there really is nothing in the game to be concerned with. Instead of a bunch of angry letters from teenagers they don't give a shit about, it will be from adults that they do care about, so instead they will pick on our kids. What will happen instead is my kids or grandkids will have their own little "video game" thing, probably having to do with virtual reality or living dreams where they play all their games and movies and that's what the news is going to be focusing on. It goes from oh my god radio, to oh my god this movie, to oh my god this video game, to oh my god this futuristic VR thing all your kids are playing jesus christ.
And on the large scale, FOX news will still be spewing out nonsense to tailor even more conservative minds.
Cats are nice Ren, but I myself am a dog person.
But that's the shitty part. On a small scale that seems not even important to talk about in comparison, what people get used to will change. People just aren't used to video games right now, the conservatives did not even once play the game Mass Effect and neither did any of the soccer moms and whoever else they were talking to. So it didn't matter what they said, as long as they said it whilst talking out the ass, everyone will naturally believe it. But when I grow up, they won't be saying the same old, "check out this game it is rated T for teens but you can have sex with any person you want in a real life pornographic matter while it shows you all the tits and ass you want, here's this child psychologist blah blah oh my god blah". Because I, as the adult, and probably every other adult, would already know more about the game then they could tell me and know that there really is nothing in the game to be concerned with. Instead of a bunch of angry letters from teenagers they don't give a shit about, it will be from adults that they do care about, so instead they will pick on our kids. What will happen instead is my kids or grandkids will have their own little "video game" thing, probably having to do with virtual reality or living dreams where they play all their games and movies and that's what the news is going to be focusing on. It goes from oh my god radio, to oh my god this movie, to oh my god this video game, to oh my god this futuristic VR thing all your kids are playing jesus christ.
And on the large scale, FOX news will still be spewing out nonsense to tailor even more conservative minds.
Cats are nice Ren, but I myself am a dog person.
I've always believed video games are the scapegoat of society, and this only confirms my theory. People like this will exist until the day when video games are finally accepted as art.
Think about it. Here are these people, saying "It's so easy to access this content, it's really bad," when I snuck into R-rated movies about 7 times before I turned 17. Those movies had much more graphic sex and violence than I have ever seen in a video game.
It's also shameful that Fox would let people who are completely ignorant (i.e. people who have never played the game) debate this issue. It's ridiculous and shows a complete bias against videogames.
Hell, their facts weren't even straight. The game features no "full" nudity and it's not like you can "choose what to do during sex". That's just some BS invented by someone who never played the game.
Think about it. Here are these people, saying "It's so easy to access this content, it's really bad," when I snuck into R-rated movies about 7 times before I turned 17. Those movies had much more graphic sex and violence than I have ever seen in a video game.
It's also shameful that Fox would let people who are completely ignorant (i.e. people who have never played the game) debate this issue. It's ridiculous and shows a complete bias against videogames.
Hell, their facts weren't even straight. The game features no "full" nudity and it's not like you can "choose what to do during sex". That's just some BS invented by someone who never played the game.